Role Swapping

My idea is equal and opposite, in every way.

I think Allism is a modernish, growing problem, like they thought/think about us.

I think Allism can’t really be cured, but a treatment, assiduously applied as early as possible in life may mitigate the worst kind of onset and allow them to live something closer to what we Autists might call a normal life – just like they thought/think about us.

The treatment is equal and opposite too: NO spanking, NO “aversives.” Gentleness and reason applied scrupulously through early life may head off onset – of course, research needs to be done – same as they say about us, equal and opposite.

Equal and opposite, they are sure everyone needs the epigenetic push of spanking and discipline, and they think we must need it harder to make us employable – while I am sure the world needs them NOT to keep pushing themselves that way.

Difference is, they can add punitive abuse when they like, a certain amount is “normal,” to them, and also they can bend and break their own laws like Lovaas did – but we can’t simply lock them up and make them stop, applying the equal and opposite fix of not spanking, I don’t know how we create the will to do it.

Placing neurodiversity under NT medicine is clearly an error of structure, a neurodiverse population requires neurodiverse oversight. An error or something like a coup, a power grab with no across the board justification.

I think the parable of the five blind men and the elephant is about this, about neurodiversity, and clearly none of the five blind men should have veto power over the rest, obviously identifying the elephant requires them all.

So equal and opposite, in theory, should apply to pathologizing too. The Autist should see their pathologization as not just wrong, but backwards. It should be obvious and understood that they look pathological to us too, equal and opposite. Anything less and we’re self-censoring, giving the field away.

And there’s an irony that paragraph dances around, that I won’t touch, it will only confuse things further.

Jeff

Feb. 28th., 2024

The Everybody Pascal’s Wager

Pascal’s Wager, you know, it’s like risk/reward in golf, the odds get worse as the rewards or the punishment gets greater, how does it go again, “Sure, the odds of the Christian salvation story are not good, but the price, should it be true and you didn’t choose it, is terrible, eternal,” something like that?

It is predicated on the idea that it is highly unlikely that what you believe can make you live forever, but what if? You don’t want to be the only one sitting at home in your urn on the mantle when everyone else is flying around enjoying their lute lessons, do you? Ha – it’s social, conforming stuff about the afterlife.

Well not really, of course.

But people do appear to make the choice, I suppose some need the reward, or fear the punishment more than others?

I would like to adapt that, from Christianity to everyone, exactly like I have adapted their Original Sin for everyone as the Human Nature myth.

Most people take the long shot in a version of Pascal’s Wager.

You know what I’m going to say, if you’ve read one of my rants, you’ve read them all. We take it every time we provide a deterrent, every time we solve our problems with abuse. Most people bet the world that their deterrents are “virtual,” and not really hurting anybody, not really affecting anything, but it’s a landscape of fear. It changes everything.

If you haven’t heard that term, it’s worth a look.

Short and sweet, when Yellowstone Park was all herbivores, the herbage didn’t have a chance, and much smaller life dependent of the sweetest of it was not thriving, not coming back, but the re-introduction of wolves and grizzly bears changed the herbivores’ lifestyle, they weren’t free to be out in the open eating the only the best stuff  and balance was restored. Landscape of Fear. I think it’s an episode of Nature or some such. National Geographic, maybe.

It makes, vast, forever changes to your lifestyle. From diet to habitat to everything. It is the furthest thing from virtual because reality is not virtual and reality doesn’t have buttons that don’t do anything, nothing is virtual. What you lose are the same things the elk lost in Yellowstone: free, open spaces, and the best food, the sun on your hide. The freedom to go where you like. Security for your children.

I don’t really know, or at least it is not my place to talk about what the Christians lose betting on Pascal, but they don’t win the prize that is offered, I don’t take that bet so I don’t see the reward, so I say this, that they do not win the prize for making the gamble. If they live well, I hope they win the prizes we get for that. But I assure you, we win no prizes in the everyone version of the game. OK, stupid prizes, as they say, war is not much of a prize, is it? From yesterday’s blog, about Nature and Nurture being a dodge:

The creation of deterrents is like some kind of rebellion against evolution, the plan of deterrents is that we make people and things better, by intentionally adding stress and fear to the environment everywhere they turn. “Deterrent,” is literally another word for environmental danger. A world of deterrents is a world of predators and a life based in terror, in the fight or flight response, in our amygdalae.

Morally, developmentally, every way, this is evolution in reverse, to simpler forms, to a life, “rough in tooth and claw.”

I suppose under the duress of the grizzlies and the wolves, the elk are never going to have enough leisure time to develop written language and pottery and under the iron rule of ourselves we are never going to have our utopias and reach the stars. It’s not balance when you do it yourself, apparently, the humans living from their amygdalae has not produced balance or the restoration of the environment, oh, gawd, did I have to say that? I’m sorry, I usually err on the side of brevity, I usually try not to waste your time.

Obviously, the fact that humans live in the fear while simultaneously dishing it out is different than it is for the elk and the bison. Like Sapolsky says, there is never a stress free time for us when we know the predator has just eaten or something. But, getting back to simpler matters, how is the deterrent of an actual spanking or an actual prison sentence any more virtual than the deterrent of an actual pack of wolves?

It is not, or the way it can be is a matter of your neurotype, a matter of how you process that information, maybe. Evolution, for good or ill, operates with or without your understanding though, and none of these things are virtual, and so the odds of winning the Punishment Cult’s version of Pascal’s Wager – wait, what is the tease, what is the reward? What is it in lieu of eternal life in this analogy?

If we believe in Human Nature, that we are born flawed and need to be controlled and directed and so we are controlled through the deterrents and then, what?

Civilization?

Don’t tell me it’s supposed to be peace? Because that isn’t working out.

I know, mere survival. Not peace so much as strength and victory.

About that, I’m sorry to tell you, that isn’t working out either.

Also from yesterday’s exploration:

It means everything, whether we see life as evolution or deterrents and punishments, if you believe in the latter, you make the environment worse, and the reality of evolution changes you to match. If you believed in evolution, you would see rewards instead, and that good things make good people.

In theory, you would build good things, make the environment better, easier for people, remove the fear wherever possible – certainly stop creating it all day every day your bloody self – and watch people adapt to be better, kinder, and smarter instead. Or, you know, gamble it all for a shitty life during wartime, why not.

You do you.

Jeff

Jan. 10th., 2024

Nature Plus Nurture is Pseudoscience

I think evolution means Nurture becomes Nature, isn’t that right?

It’s not “You have a Nature – plus there’s some nurture,” – this is more of the Human Nature in new words I’m always on about, creationism in new words. You do  not simply “have,” a Nature, in the real world of evolution. We make our Natures in the real world of evolution, always, every day.

That’s new. I didn’t think the Nature and Nurture meme was going to be so easily busted, so wrong, so much more of the same – but it is. That’s what it means with the current cast of characters, they who have ears, etc. They can be generous and add a little Nurture , as long as the Nature is still in there, because they aren’t losing an inch of ground. And so, zero change.

Big day, busting that one! I need to mark it on my calendar.

Evolution says no static Nature and so the scientific community responds with, OK, you can have a little Nurture too? That was not the question, was it? We said, “no Natures, things change.” Natures plus, is “yes Natures,” again, it’s just a bloody bait and switch.

It gives up the whole principle.

“Natures,” preclude evolution, it’s not even a compromise. Nature and Nurture doesn’t mean anything, does it, it’s like no air “and” no water, the second part is meaningless – it’s total capitulation. Majority type communication, yes, but no, and no we’re not changing anything.

I think they thought that one was unassailable. I mean, they do, “Natures,” are a feature of the normal mind, the same way Kant showed space and time to be. Evolution isn’t displacing it as it ought to if life and knowledge were a free meritocracy of accuracy. There is more to it, there is neurotype, and evolution just doesn’t seem to be part of the majority sort of human.

I’m not name-calling, I’m not happy about it, and I won’t be happy simply being able to say it and feel superior about it. It’s just a fact of the world, one we really ought to consider. There are several neurotypes, but “omniscient,” isn’t one of them, we all have more-abilities and less-abilities, superpowers and built in deficiencies. Normal folks don’t mind talking about the minority neurotype’s deficiencies right in front of us, and frankly, ours aren’t as important as theirs, just by numbers.

Hey – the Kant analogy – so I suppose since time and space are properties of “the mind,” I suppose it is possible to speculate about a neurotype that doesn’t have those too? Ahem. Never mind. This is not the place to imagine a real scientific basis for all manner of paranormal stuff, eye on the prize, Lad. Ha. Moving on.

If I thought this was the end of the conversation, normal people just can’t get it, I wouldn’t bother, I would be slack jawed, fixed on the television, which happens often enough, right now. If I was stuck on “Natures,” that might be the end of it, but I am not, I am making a real effort to apply evolution to my thinking, and so something must be making it so, there is a selective pressure to create the attitude we see as believing in Human Nature, it is a thing humans have evolved into, and so it is a thing we could evolve away from, and that thing, that pressure is punishment.

The creation of deterrents is like some kind of rebellion against evolution, the plan of deterrents is that we make people and things better, by intentionally adding stress and fear to the environment everywhere they turn. “Deterrent,” is literally another word for environmental danger. A world of deterrents is a world of predators and a life based in terror, in the fight or flight response, in our amygdalae.

Morally, developmentally, every way, this is evolution in reverse, to simpler forms, to a life, “rough in tooth and claw.”

We are actively evolving ourselves right now. It doesn’t stop just because you don’t grok it, and I don’t know if you noticed, we are not evolving ourselves to the stars and the utopia, it is to what we see, to history as it is.

So based on the facts of the world, it is as I say, we mostly do not apply evolution consciously, consciously we say “Human nature,” every ten minutes, even when we are alone. Less consciously, we are forever creating hazards where there are none, driving us to conflict in the supposed effort to drive us away from it. It means everything.

It means everything, whether we see life as evolution or deterrents and punishments, if you believe in the latter, you make the environment worse, and the reality of evolution changes you to match. If you believed in evolution, you would see rewards instead, and that good things make good people. I know, it doesn’t look like a choice, same as time and space.

The difference is our early experience. The difference is whether Mom and Dad are hazards or safety. The difference is spanking. I think most people would get evolution if they weren’t spanked, I think that deficiency gets reinforced, and cemented in place through epigenetics, by spanking. Evolution is not to be found in your amygdala. I have always thought that we could start to change things if we changed that one thing.

There is resistance, don’t get me started.

Jeff

Jan. 9th., 2024

In Search of a Word

In Search of a Word

“Antisocialization.” I am trying to make a word that makes sense in a field where all the words have been repurposed already, and I suspect sabotage.

LOL. Good Lord, what a mess!

I mean, the word “socialization,” is taken, I suppose that would have been the first, most obvious word for my purpose too? Literally, “ize,” is to “make like,” to cause to conform, and “ation,” is the process of doing a thing, so socialization means being made to conform to the social environment.

Of course, that’s fine, we’ll leave that be.

But I certainly don’t intend “antisocialization,” to mean the process of forgetting the social rules, tuning in, turning on and dropping out, it’s not, “anti,” that way.

I pray I’m just a fool with the wrong prefix or suffix, or both, but I fear not.

I think I’ve talked until I forgot my original context, that being “social,” is composed of being some portions of prosocial, neutral, and antisocial, that there are things you are to be for and things you are to be against and things where maybe you can take your pick, or somethings where we need to simply think and be reasonable about, that liking them or not isn’t the point. These three can be said as prosocial, asocial and antisocial, and what about this?

Can we say that if everything is in the neutral zone for you, all simply things with relatively little emotional content for you, that you are relatively asocial, and that the fewer things that are in your neutral zone, the more things that you must love or hate, that you are more social? With the caveat that lacking social pressure, the things in the asocial/neutral zone can be dealt with other ways, one of which would be rationally and logically. Where the society allows, we can think, if we wish.

We are perhaps talking about another spectrum, from asocial, to hypo-social, to something like “normal,” or simply social, to hyper-social.

I am well outside that acceptable social zone here, I think, Autistic. I don’t think any of this is really allowed, that’s why the language is such a problem. Unfortunately all that is allowed is the end of the world, so I am conflicted. Which of these?

The less socially oriented one is, the more things fall into the neutral zone and perhaps we deal with them more coldly, more rationally, and the more socially oriented we are, the fewer things are neutral and get the rational treatment and more things are seen through the social lens, and are either with us or against us, or rather we are pro- or anti- about more things for social reasons, group reasons.

So my antisocialization can serve, mostly because it is not in the dictionary and available, and also because an increase in social behaviour means an increase in antisocial behaviour, I mean perhaps it means both, an increase in prosocial behaviour as well. I don’t think so, but if so, both still means more antisocial behaviour – which in theory is highly visible and a problem and what we ought to be tracking? Honestly, this will be my first try at expressing this, but . . . it is through antisocial behaviour and our responses that we are oriented towards the antisocial and the social. I don’t think an excess of prosocial treatment makes anyone more socially discriminatory. It’s all sort of a Dark Side matter. It’s the Bad Wolf that makes us socially discriminating, love doesn’t do that, the social and antisocial travel together, a package deal . . .

hey, maybe the Good Wolf doesn’t make you good, he just turns down the volume on your social, flattens you out.

Good Lord, do not tell me it’s hyper-socialization I wanted all along. Maybe. Oh my Gawd, it is, isn’t it, that’s what I’m trying to say: abuse makes you hyper-social, makes you define an out-group and want to hurt it. Speaking too soon, I haven’t even googled the word yet. And also – this new one isn’t exactly slogan material, is it, Mommas don’t make your babies too social, isn’t exactly a call to arms.

I’ll find the logic if it’s not all here yet, but the ol’ right brain is already satisfied. Antisocialization is the process of becoming more intensely social. It sounds backwards but doesn’t it all. Just remember that the more social we are, the more antisocial we are also, that it’s all one, not opposites – the very error of group dynamics again, to confuse the same as opposites, somehow.

New on Jan 28th., 2024:

Maybe solving this question, or at least reinforcing the rationale:

Hyper-socialization is right. Still a harder sell, but I’ve figured out that it is indeed a push to both ends of social, I’ve found the prosocial part.

It’s a thing I say in a different rant quite often, that you can overdo empathy, that in fact, racism is a matter of too much empathy for our “own people,” so that we forgive our own people for crimes that destroy the world.

So hyper-sociality in the extreme is Nazism and the like, supremacy movements and pogroms, with little neutrality in evidence and too much antisocial behaviour going on, violence and such, accompanied with too much empathy for the people committing those crimes from their own communities.

Sound familiar now?

Like why TF America cannot hang its violently racist traitors?

So yes, I’m afraid, technically, it’s creating hyper-sociality I rant about – but still doesn’t sound alarm bells – and they still add up to anti, like multiplying positive and negative numbers, the product is negative.

I suspect all terminology has these issues, but I’m hurting, feeling weak.

I must say I have been wondering what the Hell group dynamics was talking about with their suggestions of prosocial behaviour within the group for a very long time.

Jeff

Jan. 26th., 2024

Everything is Backwards

The “progressives,” want things to stay the same, like things don’t and the institutionalists (conservatives) want the change to continue, like it does. I’m serious. Why? Have you solved it your away around or something?

ADR – All due respect – but Dr. King, like most people, didn’t know from evolution and the Dream Speech is creationist. I do not “have a dream,” of a better life, I have a dream of ANY life, because the choices are not a good life or a bad life, the “bad life,” isn’t stable. It is not some ideological BS where we have a choice between a better future forever or a worse future forever. A worse future is death.

A future in that direction isn’t any future.

It’s evolution, so the choices are not static states, the choice is to get better or get worse, it is how to change. The status quo is not static, it is an endless cycle of change and collapse.

The status quo is in motion, it is the Overton window, it is the march to war.

The voices for war speak as if progressives want change, and the progressives talk of “old boys and old ways,” as though the status quo were stable and not forever cycling into chaos. They speak as though nothing ever changes and we are in the middle of eternity with the fascists, but that the forever natural communism we had for tens or hundreds of thousands of years were some future dream, that it is the progressives who want to “change things.”

No.

Surprise: it is the bad guys who change, who evolve, who live the constant change of antisocialization. It is “progress,” to slow them down, because the abuse of law and order and “spanking,” is an environment and we adapt to it and then write more laws: this is evolution. The enshittification is evolution. The bad guys are very into evolution, just not the good kind.

Everything is backwards in AST, in Autistic science.

Rather, they are.

I love this. This is what I call the good thinkin’.

I accuse the Parental Rights people of Evolution, of believing in evolution, and of using and abusing it for purposes of crime.

If the Ds don’t fight Parental Rights hard enough – and they won’t, same as CRT – it’s because the Ds don’t understand evolution and they fantasize about a static, created world. They don’t realize that every spanking costs the good guys a vote by pissing someone off. It’s sort of too late in the world for AST to have made the predictions, but it made them all and  this is one, already in the past as it is, that the Ds won’t fight the Parental Rights shit.

I bet it took me writing three million words to get to this: evolution is reality – so the status quo is evolution, not the agreed upon state of things, but the agreed upon rate and direction of change of things.

The institutions are protecting the change, protecting the rate and direction of change – so no, they do not “hold.”

They move.

They force the change, the degradation, the descent into conflict, if that’s the direction things go, it is the institutions taking us there. Force seems to have its own direction, so generally that’s the direction human things go.

Again, the whole public Allistic narrative is backwards to my mind, so I had to throw out my Allistic education, ignore all the grownups and professors and rebuild it properly, for me.

❤️

And then I hatched.

So I hope it’s for us now.

So Wallace and Darwin weren’t discoverers – they were whistleblowers, because of course society always ran on evolution. It’s just that the silverbacks don’t want you to know about it.

Wallace and Darwent and me (perhaps it was the enshittification that tipped them off too). Autistic joke, never mind, it’s a long, dumb walk. Don’t let it erase the lesson.

Jeff

Jan. 27th., 2024

People Get Worse

“cycles”

With the strokes of my keyboard, with three little words, I sweep away your Human Nature. People get worse.

Your Cosmic Cycles, your Eternity, your World Without End, your Happily Ever After and your Total Control Dystopias, all of it done, over. Good God, will you open your eyes, will you ever grow up?

The universe is what, fourteen billion years old?

That is arguably a long time, but it is absolutely not “eternity.” It’s what we call a number, and they do get even bigger. In fact they get so big that whatever your idea of eternity, it must always be a fart in a tornado whatever it is, any actual eternity finds you adorable. It is only fourteen billion years in an unknown number of years or an already calculated number of billions of years, perhaps the universe will “end,” like we imagine it “beginning,” and if and when that happens either that finite number of years will have to have been our definition of eternity, or there simply can be no eternity in a universe that ends, ever.

I don’t think reality has eternities or infinities – let alone do I think human lives have any foreverness to them, “world without end,” Nietzsche’s eternal cycles, – everyone is the same, Human Nature, no, the “Wheel of Life,” I’m sorry, no.

No.

Time passes, things change. Stop the stupid search for constants and universals and notice when things change, that’s what bloody matters, so you can adapt.

I will speak about a particular scale of change, of perhaps a century long “cycle,” and I don’t want to use the word – is it, “sub-cycle,” if we understand that after a full turn you are in a different place within larger cycles? Never mind, it’s still problematic. I’m stuck with it, perhaps I’ll just carry on with the irony quotation marks, I will speak about a century long “cycle,” the Antisocialization Theory (AST) of War.

First I will sketch the broad terms of the AST theory of war – and then, this is today’s project, a thing I haven’t tried yet, I will try to demonstrate the truth of the title with some history. Predictions may follow, but those may not be new.

The Antisocialization Theory of War.

AST in the short term.

It begins within a lifetime, there is a function that plays out, a play that happens almost consciously, at least the script is spoken about, and perhaps I have a Special and a General Antisocialization Theory, where the general one refers to the whole “cycle,” of something like four or five generations with its unwanted and seemingly inevitable disasters and the smaller, special one that is nearly conscious, the way we seem to like it working day to day.

I wondered about spanking and punishment, it seemed to me that people got “worse,” not “better,” that the kids around me were immediately embittered and many started using violence themselves right away, and so I didn’t believe what the grownups said was going on and eventually I started wondering what making us worse actually did for us and so I came to the Antisocialization theory of war: people are charged with bad feelings by their abuses, or in their language, “made strong,” and so “our people,” are strong and can thrive.

It means we are charged with stored rage and violence, held from the immediate response most animals have and we have the hierarchy, the leadership that decides when and upon whom we can unload it – in a war, or an apartheid. Taking our lumps makes weapons of us. This is Warrior Society, where we antisocialize ourselves and begin fight training young, as soon as we can do anything that invites a punishment and this antisocialization is not only psychological, but epigenetic. An environment of spanking selects an option on our warrior genes, the “stronger,” one, which I say a little ironically, as euphemism.

AST in the long term.

In the General Antisocialization Theory, because evolution, things do not reset in every generation as the popular, “Human Nature,” would have it, and the people we apply this genetic warrior engineering to have adapted permanently to the abusive environment to a degree and so things change, people get worse. Easier to send into a fight, and more difficult to keep out of one. Less worried about spanking.

Either we apply the same amount of pressure to a generation more ready to accept it and so we actually make ourselves even worse, or worse faster each pass, or perhaps to a degree we get the same results looking like we are gentler, having “made some progress,” and spanking them a little less hard or often – ah, That’s sort of new! – but a change took place and perhaps the growth of our antisocialization is a logarithmic matter, as things are. In the larger frame of the general theory, it’s a ”cycle,” a matter of perhaps four or five generations of human life. I call the Second World War the culmination of the previous cycle and the beginning of the next, I think of it as a global meltdown where all bets are off and society disappears in a sort of a jubilee, like all moral debts are wiped clean and when we simply cannot carry on, we stop, look around, swear it all off and start again.

The progression, getting specific

We say, “Always Remember,” and “Never Forget,” then, when, “never forget what, and always remember what,” is so obvious no-one needs to say it and everyone is poor, so people revert to the automatic charity of poverty and start helping one another. Many realize and acknowledge that their nations were as evil as the enemy, and engaged in the same business, and wish for and work towards peace.

Many of their children grow up with traumatized parents, but the general atmosphere is of wanting and needing peace and these children grow up on these values, in theory – but perhaps only in theory. I’m a white man born as one of the last of the Baby Boomers on Turtle Island and in practice, the generation after the war was still an environment of spanking and our parents may have spoken to us about peace, but they brought the wooden spoon and the belt when they talked about it, and we thought they were brutes and many of us got brutalized. Before I was born and through my youth, perhaps the second generation since the war, at least publicly, things improved, they built schools and hospitals, and the Human Rights laws improved somewhat, but life at home did look a little timeless and children didn’t gain many rights.

Gonzo, or Autistic science

“People get worse,” is not a social judgment, it is evolution and genetics, not that those last two are really two different things. When the environment, both material and social gets worse, evolution makes us worse to survive it by way of modifying our active genesuite.

We want that, as far as that goes, I mean, sort of forgetting that we are the environment we want that for, but yes, immediately, creatures want that.

You want that, that when the environment gets worse, that you will be able to do the awful things you might need to do if it gets very bad. Evolution is you wanting to survive and making choices that make that easier, and evolution is real and your genes and you really change. I go as far as Lamarck’s guess and say you as an individual change heritably within your lifetime because we know children change during their lifetimes, that they take different developmental paths depending on the environment they detect, this is epigenetics. It’s a different change, epigenetic choices are not assumed to be immediately heritable and they aren’t, full blown in a single generation – but if there is no daily change, where is the epochal change?

Zero plus zero equals zero, doesn’t it?

I mean, I don’t think the epigenetic change is all of the long term evolution, and I expect they have already proved that it’s not – but logically, both things are happening and logically during the same period of life, when the environment is being sussed out and adjusted for, same as the short term options. This, or there is no long term evolution, no? I cannot escape an intuition that to deny Lamarck is to deny evolution, to place evolution somewhere other than in this present, living reality.

That is to say, something I say a lot, that it is to place the word, “evolution,” in a creationist sentence, when it happened before but not anymore, like all the creation stories our species has. You know, not to “deny,” evolution exactly, they just want to put it on hold until they can study it some more – before they make it policy. I’m sorry, but I’m serious.

A billion zeroes equals zero, if we don’t evolve always, we never do – and we do, so it’s an always on sort of a feature. A billion ones is, well I’m no mathematician, but it’s a lot! Change over time requires that something actually changes during the time. The time is not the cause.

It is something like an accelerant that to a large degree we are presently both the evolving creature and the environment, that we create our environment and then adapt to it, this is called positive feedback and it is lethal without controls in place wherever we see it. It is my opinion and maybe part of the theory that we are well into feedback runaway mode here, near the end of the “cycle,” because unfortunately, we are also supposed to be the control, apparently.

The point of all this is spanked people change, abuse changes us, and not for the “better behaved,” like Mom said. And “stronger,” is not another word for “good,” like Dad said. People get worse.

Spanking is the environment we set up for children to adapt to and they do, and we assume they only adapt superficially and that their children will be exactly the same sort of people, require exactly the same environment, world without end.

No. No. You changed them. You created an environment to change them and it worked. Your parents changed you and you changed your kids and your kids will change their kids and somewhere between them and your great grandchildren there will be the Antisocialization Jubilee, another global berserking after four or five generations from the Nineteen Forties through the Twenty Twenties, every generation readier for war than the one before.

The good ol’ days

Your parents having survived the big one, considered it unthinkable and we consider war horrible, but every generation things swing away from war as the scourge of our species towards a generation who starts to think of it as a solution, and to think of people as a problem requiring that sort of a “solution.”

I’m planning to give you a list of quotes and speeches with dates to show the progression, although research is not easy for me, I resent the rubbish I have to pick through and cannot keep at it for long.

But this is the great truth behind many other popular memes like, “the good ol’ days,” suite of talk., the “back in our day, we didn’t see this,” stuff, Ockham’s razor: you really didn’t see that stuff then.

There really are many ways in which today is worse than yesterday and to deny that wholesale is rather obvious gaslighting. The razor says, often as not you saw what you thought you saw. While there is the popular NT psychology meme, that the nostalgia is simply for our childhoods when we had fewer worries, it ought to be needless to say that childhood is not all bliss and everybody doesn’t necessarily want to go back to their most vulnerable, powerless time.

Good Lord, the gaslighting. This is what I’m fighting, the “bliss,” of childhood.

These are competing memes, the world without end and the good old days, and the one that isn’t framed as the mythological “forever,” is the one that is actually possible – and anyway, why not “the good old days?” It ought to be fifty-fifty, what’s so impossible, that things might not just automatically get better? People rattle off that blissful ignorance line as if the world getting worse was ridiculous, impossible. No-one objects to you saying, “the bad old days,” because that’s progress – but in the days of yore, you could drink the water and see the stars. Some things get better, some get worse, these are of course generalizations – but generalizations are usually plausible, true much of the time or they wouldn’t be generalizations – they are not to be scoffed at and turned into personal attacks about how you just want to be a baby again.

The AST of war, summary

But that’s the antisocialization theory of war, that the abuse of spanking and law changes people for the aggressive so that they can be wielded in a conflict and these downsides accumulate over time and generations until some global, uncontrollable melee. Each generation is born a little more ready for it than the last.

People are charged with violence, aggrieved as babies and further all through life, but forbidden by law to kill their boss – the modern, peacetime enemy – or anyone else and we hold that charge of bad feelings – antisocialization – until the state or some leader changes the law and gives us an enemy upon which to let it all out. Punitive laws make us a weapon for our superiors, and they can wield it for a few generations, but violence has its own logic and the Jubilee is coming.

I think I’m repeating myself. On to history.

The progression, an American framing

Sigh. Do I even know the start?

Was there a peace movement, immediately? Or did America just switch enemies the day the war ended? Was it the Boomers, or the depression era’s kids who were the first to imagine a kinder world? I worry that I’m wrong, that perhaps the idea of peace had been scrubbed from the world for the adults of WWII. Ah, you know what, I’ve only been seeing the end/beginning of the “cycle,” I haven’t put any thought to the middle, or the trough if it’s waves– I suppose it must be halfway between?

The adults in the mid-eighties, forty years, halfway from 1945 to 2023?

Actually, that’s good and expected isn’t it? We peaked, and then Friedman, Thatcher, and Reagan happened, right? And it’s more logical, the warriors do not suddenly transform themselves into saints when the war ends – but I suppose they try to transform their kids that way.

OK, I did know after all. The war generation created the cold war, it was their kids who got tired of it. But I wasn’t complete about it, I planned to show us having learned our lessons immediately and then an eighty year progression – but I had forgotten the whole first half of the “cycle,” and the speeches are going to have improved for a few decades first, aren’t they? Gawd knows, Kennedy sounded positive much of the time – and before him, Eisenhower’s speech in Nineteen sixty-one about the military industrial complex, even presidents had happy dreams then, maybe. I was maybe eleven weeks old when the speech happened, two years old when JFK got shot.

Sigh again. That is prose, not proof.

Billy Joel did better, LOL.

Let’s set up a frame:

Hoover in the ‘20s, then

FDR through the depression and the war, then

Truman through ’53, then

Eisenhauer, sorry, Eisenhower through the ‘50s

Kennedy, then

LBJ through 69

Nixon to ’74, then

Ford through ‘77

Carter through ’81, then

Reagan in the ‘80s, then – ha! Then

Dubya and the modern era.

Ha! Damn, I think I’m finished! He who hath ears to hear, LOL.

The progression, some history

If Eisenhower was worried about the military industrial complex in ’61, then I suppose it is safe to assume that Truman was not and the complex got eight years ahead of Ike before he got there to worry about it. It sounds like it grew alarmingly under Ike as well and he made this warning as he was leaving office. Sixteen years, a generation maybe since the war, during which time all the Boomers were born and the war machine was growing – frighteningly, to a world leader.

I suppose his fright opened the Flower Decade for white people, his fright is a humanist sign coming from a president, one of the good parts of the “cycle,” at least he was speaking towards peace while the less good parts started right away, sixteen years or ten thousand years before, depending what you’re tracking. This wise speech happened before the Cold War even approached its peak? I think?

Then Kennedy?

He appeared to talk positively, appeared to be a liberal move for America, as I say, positive, first half of the “cycle?” On the other hand, of course it looks like Eisenhower’s fears came to life and killed him, which it would be odd to say it made America depressed forever afterwards, some might say we grew up – but that’s what my unauthorized portmanteau is for: it further antisocialized us.

I mean depression was a lot of it. Ha – in another bit of mixed messaging from history, LBJ looked like a step towards the conservative after sexy JFK, but it was LBJ said the thing about deflection – just let them persecute someone beneath them and they will not burn the White House down again, something like that – and LBJ that signed the human rights legislation, so in the sixties, some of the good parts of the “cycle,” made it into law and sometimes even into reality.

Nixon was a setback and Carter was a breath of fresh air – everyone already speaks about the back and forth, the oscillations – but you have to a long way into the past to find a president as straight up, old time good as Carter. People get worse but not everybody, not all the time, especially during the good part of the “cycle.” Carter, in this metaphor of presidents, was the peak of the good wave – unfortunately, most of this scenario has us tracking the peaks of the bad wave, and we would have to describe Jimmy as the bottom of the trough, which is awkward.

But you’re smart, you can deal; ignore it if you must.

Then trouble, the “cycle,” had gotten as good as it was going to get on this turn and we switch literally from presidents to actors, from actual good to merely the appearance of it.

Since before the war, the cliché was still candidates promising to keep you working and fed – a chicken in every pot, Hoover’s offer from the bad part of the previous cycle, so pretty much a custom. It was still alive in the sixties as “a pot in every chicken,” if I recall – and with Reagan we saw a shift to complaining about “welfare queens.” Gone were the government’s promises of managing the economy and keeping you employed and fed, now, after the “cycle,” turns, you are breaking your promise to them by not creating your own work somehow. The apology of poverty welfare is gone for the accusation of poverty welfare instead.

In the fifties and sixties, Canadians promised healthcare, got elected on it and gave it to themselves, and in recent years American Democrats have to distance themselves from the expense of giving people healthcare, it’s taking it away that is an election promise on this side of the “cycle,” apparently. Lately America did get some eventually, but it seems too little too late and the healthcare and the nations do not seem long for life.

Tax rates. Rich people used to help pay for people, and lately despite they can afford it, they do not expect each other to and no-one else does either. Believe it or not, I think even rich people used to be better. They get spanked too, plus they have something to lose if they rebel, so it’s an important part of the antisocialization theory of war that rich people aren’t born evil either but are subject to childrearing and get worse every generation from the abusive pressure the same as everyone else, and perhaps they are the more important part, considering the resources they command, the multiplier of their power.

People get worse

Really, if I were not socially disabled, were I an activist, this might be my axe, that we must somehow stop the most dominant from their self abuse and so erode the cause of their unhealthy need for power, that is to say, stop rich people’s child abuse. It’s a monster factory. Of course, we all ought to stop. By my own theory about them and theirs, if only one stops, some strong abuse survivor merely murders and replaces them.

There is no “them,” in Antisocialization Theory, not even the bloody rich, so there sort of is no activism. You tell people to “do something,” they’ll start a fight, so the activism is to not activate that. I’m a de-activist. I just want to talk. Let me ask you a question:

Always Remember what?

Never Forget what?

OK, that’s two questions.

But I think it was “Not to follow evil orders,” right?

I hate to think about how long that lasted – but we didn’t have a global communist revolution, so not long. If that was it, no wonder they didn’t commit to it by writing the whole idea on the statues.

Think about it and it’s an impossible order, “Don’t follow orders,” isn’t it. I would suggest we turn it around – Don’t give orders. It’s still a logical mobius strip to say it, but at least it might be possible to obey it without breaking it. We shouldn’t pile on a person for following orders – but maybe we should swarm the first guy who tries to give them and make him stop.

Every anthropologist has some story about how people used to do that, but people get worse. Evolution, don’t you know.

I think that’s what it ought to be, people get worse.

Always Remember, People Get Worse.

Never Forget, People Get Worse.

You are not “resilient,” as in unchangeable – resilience is you adapting, getting worse. Human Nature is not a permanent thing, it is a fragile, responsive thing, we change. Human Nature today is different than Human Nature yesterday and Human Nature tomorrow depends upon our choices yesterday and today.

If you keep choosing the static Human Nature and the fictional eternities, you will keep getting worse.

Jeff,

Jan. 20th., 2024

Forced Idealization, Updated

Having a lot of thoughts just now, discovery, and some folks that seem to speak my language a little, having insights. Almost moved on before I got this one down:

That kids idolize or idealize their parents isn’t automatic.

That’s abuse too. And simple mental arithmetic. A scenario.

A child is doing something a caregiver doesn’t want, or not doing something the caregiver does want, perhaps the child is very young, preverbal, and so the parent resorts to simple pain deterrents, or fear, a raised voice, a slap, or perhaps the chid is verbal and the parent is just that sort of a person – but generally in psychological conversation and I agree, younger is more important, more causative, more impressionable, so perhaps it’s a baby, simply trying to move about out of its dirty napkin during a change, which would cause a terrible mess, and the caregiver uses a sharp word or a look, maybe a slap to turn the child away from its idea.

Perhaps not the best example to say it’s an argument, that rolling about is the baby’s “idea,” and it’s an argument, but inasmuch as it is, and surely better examples happen every day, in so much, the infant has an idea, maybe a feeling, surely both, and the caregiver has another idea, another feeling, surely both and they’re in conflict: that’s what it is, or what it was, until the caregiver turned it into a fight, with perhaps mild but still threats and violence.

The baby’s argument is “wrong,” and the adult is having no more, and making their argument the policy, and their argument is the world they both live in now. And the baby has an internal problem now, an internal conflict.

There are bad feelings, and we sort of address those in many conversations, but my insight last evening was the baby’s reason, the baby’s logic – how does it deal with the forced situation, that it is already wrong in the world? It wants to be right, needs to be right, especially with Mom, and the path to getting right with Mom, the only logical path to anyone being right, to there being any sense in the world is to accept, OK, I’m wrong, but Mom and Dad are right . . . this is very much a forced play on the child’s mind. Sanity, continuance, demand that they move their sense of self away, give it away to the caregivers.

I always cringed when I heard or read that, that our idealization of our parents causes our problems, and now at last I’ve sat down with a pencil and worked it out.

Of course, like everything, it’s ball-busting, blame the child, blame human nature, blame anybody but the brute who forced it. As though we all just willingly ignore our own inner voices in favour of our parents, why, because they are just so impressive?

Of course not. Come on.

Jeff

April 21st., 2022

UPDATED

I am asking Twitter, trying to ask the world here – is my premise true?

Is our parental idealization considered to be automatic, a cause rather than an effect of our troubles? It occurs to me that I can think of at least one psychologist on my side of this with me, and of course it’s another weirdo, don’t get me wrong, I loved them: R. D. Laing. The disaster has already happened.

If  so, if R.D. and I are wrong and alone, and most of the world of psychological help is rolling along talking as though it was your choice to idealize your father (and so your fault when reality disappoints), then I have a question – why? What’s the rationale – evolved? Again, I’m still three years old – why?

There are great swathes of science speaking in the other direction, self preservation and Dunning Kruger Syndrome both say that we automatically think more highly of ourselves, that the mental gymnastics we do is to protect and promote the self, that we must think well of ourselves in order to deserve our share of the mammoth, better than someone who settles for life (or death) without a share.

But the very first thing we do in life is give all that up to our parents?

Perhaps that’s my overreach, perhaps to idealize is not to give up oneself. I think that’s in the balance of this debate too: if it’s built in, then maybe not, but if it happens how I suggest in this blog, then it is more self splitting than it is idealization.

But I’m asking. Someone educate me – do they say why we idealize, if it’s automatic? Let me guess, game theory, we are dependent upon them for life, we will go off and get ourselves eaten if we are allowed to do what we want? I don’t like those answers anymore, but rather than credit it with a detail argument, I’ll just ask: does it get better when we grow up?

Automatically? Or not until therapy? Aren’t we here talking about it because it’s a big source of our problems rather than our safety? Also – this safety adaptation would not seem to protect us from our parents, would it? Rather the opposite, so I’m not buying it. I’m afraid I’m stuck with my dark side, AST explanation, and it’s all very sad but at least it’s a step closer to reality.

Jeff April 24th., 2022

I Need a Literary Agent

I want to write a popular science sort of a book.

I’m in the market for a literary agent with some social science background.

I have this idea, but it’s sort of between genres and I think I need help developing it before I could even know who to try to sell it to. It’ll be along the lines of the Nurture Assumption, that sort of subject matter, if you’re familiar with that . . . any thoughts?

A perusal of the last several entries in this blog will also give you the subject matter, but the groping in those blogs has produced an unexpected, full blown socialization theory and maybe more. You’d never guess from all my previous writing where it’s brought me.

Anything would help . . .

 

thank you all in advance

 

Jeff

Punishment as Bullying

The world runs on authority, on force. The army, the police, schools, corporate hierarchies, parenting, parenting, parenting. Family structure. Punishment and discipline is a system by where we control unwanted behaviour by force, and punishment, which, punishment is defined as dishing out unpleasantness to the misbehavers in order to motivate them to change their ways.

 

This is pretty much a definition of bullying. The bully punishes the victim. The bully justifies this punishment by listing the victims’ misbehaviours, or the victims’ families’, or race’s, or faith’s misbehaviours.

 

This is punishing behaviour, this is bullies doing what adults do, doing what the police do, I mean the bully’s behavior is very close to that, closer than any of us would like to think. I’m saying the bully feels he is doing what he sees around him, that in the parlance of some schools of psychology, the bully is getting his power back, after some authority figure has taken his power from him.

 

So, parents and schools going to the bully kids and telling them to stop is a joke to these kids. They see it as just more ‘do as I say, not as I do,’ which it is. I, for one, would love to see someone ask the kids if I’m right about that. Don’t take my word for it. Ask the kids. Better yet, we need a mole, someone who can infiltrate the kids’ group and get a real answer. They don’t trust us.

 

Parents don’t think they are bullying. We have a consensus about what is acceptable punishing behavior, and we really cannot seem to draw parallels with what we see as our legitimate punishments and other similar behaviours. If we can’t, if we won’t see how bullying is an extension, an extrapolation of our punishing ways, then there is very little hope that any of our conversation about bullying, any of our attempts to combat it will get any traction, very little hope of our ever solving a problem if we refuse to understand it in the first place. Surely, someone has noticed that speeches that don’t acknowledge this difficult truth have not had any dramatic effect on the bullying phenomenon? I think any approach that doesn’t include this idea would be considered empty and hopeless, at least to any group that lives under threat or reality of punishment – like our kids.

 

Long and short, if we adults don’t stop ‘bullying’ kids everywhere, we will never stop their bullying, that should be obvious. I don’t know why it isn’t.

 

Many nations have outlawed corporal punishment, in Canada, we are in the process of outlawing it, and I can see the next step, that we will someday realize that the damage caused by punishing behaviours generally outweigh any benefit, and when we all stop anything like bullying, so will our kids. Until then, we will fight this bullying thing in vain, fighting fire with fire, and modeling it and propagating it as we do.

 

So now, there will be programs, task forces, plans and research, all government money spent to figure out this embarrassing problem, and if we don’t try to stop people from the use of punishment – corporal and otherwise – on our kids at home and everywhere else, we are wasting all those resources. And that is a sad, cruel joke, one that the adults don’t understand, and only our kids are laughing about. Not in a good way.

 

Jeff

 

Jan. 22, 2016

Punishment and Respect

Punishment and Respect

 

I’m gonna change my approach a little here, start making these things short and sweet.

 

So this third one of those will be on this idea here: if you punish, it instills respect. Otherwise why would they respect you? So a couple of thoughts:

 

Punishment is a betrayal, of communication, of love, of respect; to be punished is to have our personhood rejected and denied. Punishments happen when a more powerful person or persons has given up talking to or reasoning with us and simply treats us like an object rather than any semblance of a peer, or even a person. To my mind, this is a worst case scenario in adult relationships. At its best, it’s Mandela’s incarceration, a classic walk underground and into legend (though, let’s not forget, not a good time for him still) resulting from a considered difference of political opinion. Rest assured most of the outcomes of this everyday betrayal, punishment, are not so good. One thing at a time, though. Respect.

 

To my mind, punishment is the end of respect. After one punishment, maybe, after some good apology, but after a regular application of it? Talk of ‘respect’ is empty chatter, mind-boggling hubris. A half-century of post-Skinner parenting crap literature never seems to acknowledge that you can’t have discipline from punishment and respect at the same time. I’ll tell you though: you’ve got a choice, and I repeat, you might not lose trust and respect the very first time – but don’t push it twice.

 

Have we really forgotten how it felt when we were the kids? Really? How many of us only come to respect our parents later in life, after we’ve spent a few decades dishing it out on our own kids? How many of us never do? We weren’t born disrespecting, they earned it – and we understand them after we earn it.

 

 

Jeff

 

Jan. 20, 2016